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Re: [jox] Peer Production and Societal Transformation / italian translation

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Hi Stefan,
It is an excellent contribution. I agree with most of your points except the following.
1- Money has nothing to do with the scarcity of godds, the point you barrow from Raymond. Money is an expression, measure and preserver of congealed abstract labor in the form of abstract value. Once, labour and its products are commoditized every thing else can potentially from sex, to even air and water can become commodties, suply and demand determining their prices, which are distorted expressions of their values. In this context the price of an object increases in porprtion of the demand for it and in inversion to proportion of its supply. This as Marx brilliantly showed creates the ilustion, the one that Raymond reproduces, that scarcity is the origin of prices and money. Of course, I agree with you, as Marx did too, that money and labour will vanish in a fully fledged p2p which in Marx's formulation is nothing but advanced communism.

2- You are righ about socialism, this is a point that was made long ago by Negri in his 
Marx beyond Marx which is basically a commentary on Marx"s Grundrisse. I think Guy Debord another arch Marxian made the same point. But if we read carefully the Critique of Gotha programme, Economic and Philosophical Manuscrpts of 1844, particularly parts on alianated labour and communism, and sections fo Grundrisse where Marx talks about advanced communism, we can easily see that in Marx view socialism bears within itself many aspects of capitalism wiyhout being the same. It is debatable whether Marx view of first socialism and then advanced communism was a good project for his era, but in our era we can reach advanced communism without going through socialism.
3- This brings us to your points on state and politics which are very similar to those of Alain Badiou who is aMaoist (advanced in his AntiPolitics). Today major infrastructures including telecommunication and major natural resources are owned by capitalists i.e corporations or states. This ownership is guaranteed by property rights which are protected by violence of state. Is it possible to generalise p2p to all production without collectivization of these strategic resources? Is such a collectivization possible without prior abolishing of the state? If the answer to these questions is negative, if the generalization of p2p requires a social revolution then we need to engage the state in a negative way. We bolish the state but do not creat our own. This means politics. This requires mobilization, strategies and tactics and buiding of alliances. 

4- Your point 10, is interesting, your classifications are helpful but there is some kind of evolutionism there. You dont see the role of social struggle. If we have a global social revolution tomorrow, which makes the major strategic resources the commons 
of humanity the p2p will become the dominant mode of production vey quickly. On the other hand, it is also possible for stat and capital to kill p2p or keep it in a marginal position for the next 100 years. everything hinge on social struggle, hence politics.
All the best

I\Stefan Meretz 01/08/12 6:06 AM >>> 
Hi all, 

some of you may have recognized that my paper "Peer Production and 
Societal Transformation" planned to appear in CSPP journal in December 
2011 has already been published on in series of articles: 

Originally it was estimated, that the CSPP issue should have been 
released prior to finishing the series of articles, but the release of 
the new CSPP issue have been postponed to January 2012. Since the 
article is the starting point of a debate, you can treat the series as a 

Parallel to publishing the series on, a collective of 
translators from translated the paper 
into Italian. Except the final conclusion the translated paper can be 
found here: 

That's great! 


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