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Re: [ox-en] Rivaly of non-rivalry



HI Patrick,

this has nothing to do either with the Stefan's or  any error of your part. Simply, I hit the delete button instead of reply, and could then not find the deleted item in the trash file, not sure how this can happen ... but anyway, as I just replied an instant after, I remembered the gist of your arguments.

Michel
 
T----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick Anderson <agnucius gmail.com>
To: list-en oekonux.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Rivaly of non-rivalry

On

Jan

24,

2008

6:49

AM,

Michael

Bauwens



wrote:


Hi

Patrick



I

accidentally

deleted

your

contribution,

so

I'm

starting

a

new

thread.

Michel,

1.

Do

you

moderate,

and

have

administrative

rights

over
list-en Oekonux.org? 

I'm

very

surprised,

only

because

I

always
thought

Stefan

or

Stefan

did

that...

2.

You

apparently

read

the

text

but

deleted

it

anyway,

and

couldn't
recover

it? 

Your

email

software

should

be

a

bit

more

forgiving.
Maybe

you

are

trying

to

give

me

a

hint

about

something

I

did

wrong?
If

I

made

a

social

or

technical

error,

could

you

please

tell

me
explicitly,

as

I

am

extremely

dense

when

it

comes

to

non-literal
communication,

and

am

at

a

loss

as

to

what

I

should

do

differently

in
the

future.

3.

Maybe

it

was

best

that

text

was

lost

anyway,

as

most

of

what

I
write

incites

an

unfortunate

mixture

of

boredom

and

anger. 

Rather
that

'sharp'

and

'pointed',

I

tend

to

be

interpreted

as

both

'dull'
and

'blunt'

;)




What

you

write

is

of

course

true,

and

it

is

a

very

important

reminder

about

the


material

basis

of

everything

we

do.



Nevertheless,

if

people

like

Yochai

Benkler,Mark

Cooper,

and

even

myself,

write


about

non-rival

or

anti-rival

resources,

we

are

not

denying

these

truths.

Ok,

sorry,

that

is

probably

already

clear

to

everyone

but

me.




Simply

that

in

a

particular

context,

the

specific

polarity

of

a

good

induces

very


important

logical

and

physical

qualities,

which

require

differential

treatment.

This

word

"polarity"

sounds

very

interesting. 

What

do

you

mean

by

it?



Of

course,

occasional,

we

or

some

others

may

go

astray,

forgetting

that

physical


basis,

but

in

fact

we

know

it.



That

both

the

song

and

bread

have

a

physical

basis

is

one

thing,

nevertheless,


because

of

the

marginal

cost

of

reproducing

a

song

over

an

already

existing

and


available

network,

it

still

makes

more

sense

to

share,

rather

than

sell

it,

so

different


solutions

must

be

found

to

fund

that

'general

infrastructure'.

By

"general

infrastructure"

are

you

including

creation,

distribution
and

maintenance

of

the

work? 

These

are

very

different

things,

and

I
would

like

to

talk

about

them

separately,

but

it

would

help

me

avoid
being

redundant

or

picking

nits

if

I

could

understand

what

is

already
obvious

or

generally

understood

by

you

and

others.

I

am

very

interested

in

what

it

will

take

to

earn

a

wage

from

Free
Software

for

instance,

and

my

general

view

is

that

developers

must
somehow

get

connected

to

the

consumers

(users)

who

are

willing

to
commit

to

paying

for

features

*before*

the

work

is

performed.

I

envision

this

as

bug/feature

tracking

software

that

helps

users
easily

add

even

a

tiny

"promise

to

pay"

to

cumulative

bounties

from
within

the

application

itself

-

as

a

kind

of

"complaint

click"

or
"bitch

button"

that

might

even

be

integrated

into

the

application
'frame'

next

to

the

[minimize]

button...

On

the

developer

side,

any

worker

could

sort

their

view

of

the

bounty
list

by

reward

size

(for

instance),

and

probably

choose

to

work

on
things

they

might

have

already

wanted,

but

this

also

allows

consumers
to

drive

innovation

without

possessing

the

skills

themselves

by
contracting

to

reward

artisans

for

accomplishing

work

that

may
otherwise

never

have

incentive

to

accomplish. 

If

the

work

conflicts
with

the

goals

of

the

worker,

the

new

version

can

be

considered

a

fork
and

even

be

renamed

if

those

consumers

desire,

or

if

the

trademark
holders

demand.

It

will

probably

usually

be

best

to

define

that

fork

as

a

"patch"
against

the

main

project

(think

of

the

Linux

kernel

for

instance)

-

so
that

special

version

will

always

easily

receive

other

general
improvements

to

the

mainline

without

much

fuss...

For

other

art,

the

artists

should

also

plan

to

get

paid

*before*

the
performance

by

selling

tickets

to

limited

seating

during

the

recording
or

filming,

but

this

will

require

the

consumers

own

the

physical
sources

(land,

studio,

cameras,

costumes,

etc.)

to

make

it

efficient

-
otherwise

the

externality

called

profit

will

leak

most

of

the

value
away

from

the

community.




What

you

say

doesn't

change

that,

or

does

it?

I

think

you

are

correct,

and

I

was

probably

only

reading

to

literally,
but

I

won't

be

sure

until

you

answer

some

of

the

questions

above.
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