Looking in a Mirror Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage
- From: "." <adam diamat.org.uk>
- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:38:42 +0000
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:22:31 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] (CET) Stefan Merten wrote:
Yesterday Matteo Pasquinelli wrote:
please let me escape this circus, i keep on getting error messages.
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That is probably because Matteo's first unsubscription just worked.
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a member of my family was deported by lovely german nazis in the
north of italy
many years ago.
give me an appointement in any cafe of any city in germany, i can
join you,
i'd like to explain you something about life.
or maybe i can make a performance at your next event.
I think these threats speak for themselves...
I suspect that Matteo was pretty cheesed off with things and was
publicly "offering you out", so to speak, in order to either resolve
things at a face to face meeting, or else leave an emotional mark on the
way out.
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:09:01 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] Matteo Pasquinelli wrote:
you are dangerous and alienated people.
i unsubscribe immediately.
is this your idea of "cooperation" and "collective intelligence"? congrats.
I´m not sure who Matteo´s referring to here -- there´s lots of folk on
this list, some with a very slow fuses. Again I suspect that Matteo was
pretty cheesed off with things and was multilaterally "j'accusing".
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:33:59 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] Matteo Pasquinelli wrote:
Dear friends, I send my last essay to this list as it covers many issues debated in the last days. It is actually an extract of a forthcoming book (autumn 2008) for the Studies in Network Cultures (a book series of the Institute of Network Cultures published by NAi Publishers, Rotterdam). Please download the printer-friendly PDF. Best /M
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Matteo Pasquinelli
The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage
http://www.rekombinant.org/docs/Ideology-of-Free-Culture.pdf
I scanned, rather than read this text soon after it was first posted.
The only reason I opened it up again was because of all the fuss -- I
mean no disrespect to Matteo by this -- the text just didn´t catch my
attention the first time round
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:21:55 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] (CET) Stefan Merten wrote:
> * Michel Serres and the cybernetic parasite
May be that is part of my German legacy but comparisons with animals /
living beings which have a clearly negative connotation reminds me too
much of Nazis comparing Jews with rats :-( ...
May be. I know folk who are very sensitive in this respect, so sensitive
in fact that they are reluctant to express their opinions, or rather
believe their opinions can have no value given the guilt they feel as a
legacy of their forefatherś actions.
> Man is a louse for other men. Thus man is a host for other men. The
> flow goes one way, never the other. I call this semiconduction, this
> valve, this single arrow, this relation without a reversal of
> direction, "parasitic." [Michel Serres]
That is a particularly anti-Semitic figure you are using here.
I don´t think it´s fair to accuse someone of pandering towards
anti-semiticism just because they have repeated the thought that "man is
a louse" -- or rather, if it was, then it puts a whole new complexion on
to the many occasions when I´ve heard this thought expressed out loud in
the past.
Not that I really know what Serres and Matteo mean to do in their texts
-- I guess they, like all of us, are trying to make some sense of the
economy and put it in to some sort of frame -- on reading the text, I am
reminded of the "Milton model".
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:21:42 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] graham wrote:
> Repetitive use of the ideas of 'parasite' and 'louse' is something
very characteristic of the rhetorical style of fascists, particularly so
in Italy (I wouldn't know about Germany). What do you do with lice? You
crush them, because they are both trivial and subhuman.
I agree we have to be very careful with this sort of naming -- for
instance, the repetition of the label 'terrorist' is being used to kill
people as we think -- however I´m not sure whether Matteo was intending
to locate this 'parasite' has being present in a class of folk that we´d
be better off with out as they can do nothing other than leech ... i´m
not sure, but i took this 'parasite' to be a systemic feature :-/
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