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Why does labour have to be the measure?

This reproduces the world of job divided from life, of abstract labour. At
most I can hunt in the morning and criticize in the evening, but only as
long as someone is there with a stop watch to measure what I do. I
understand people who believe that 'communism has been proved to be
impractical', but this particular solution - which would itself require a
revolution to achieve, so it doesn't have the merit of being especially
practical - solves none of the current ecological problems; whether you try
to minimize or maximize labour values, ecological questions are simply an
add-on, just as they are in the capitalist economy (and visibly were in
previously existing socialism).


While communism may have been proven to be impractical, I think that
commercial industries have also come to a pretty concrete conclusion that
"Taylorism" is not sustainable over long periods of time, unless you employ
robots. Most industries have built themselves around timed production, so
they were forced to start employing machines for the areas where humans
typically would not perform like a machine.

Timed production is tied to unlimited growth based economic schemes (they
are as impractical to the human race as communism, and this is coming from
one of the people who definitely believes communism is impractical).

So, where does that leave us? Also, throw into the equation that we are
deeply entrenched in systems that employ either capitalist/time-measured
schemes, or decreasingly, communist schemes....






It also doesn't help in trying to analyze free software and similar
production, or in working out how to generalize it - one thing I'm quite
sure of is that as soon as you try to measure the labour time used in
communal free software production (the Stefans' 'triply free production'),
that production stops dead.


I think you have figured out one of the secrets of "mixing business" with
open source production, which is that as a business, you have to respect the
culture and social norms of the open source community, or you will disrupt
and potentially destroy the resource you are trying to employ (no different
than regular community members, but amplified by the sheer power of many
businesses playing in this area)





Graham



The consumer would have the right to purchase consumer goods from
community shops. The units of production would not be subjects of right
like capitalist firms. They would not sell the products, just as  the
coke works in a steel mill today does not sell the coke to the blast
furnace division, it simply delivers it as part of an integrated
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