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Re: [jox] Re: Peer Review [Was: RE: Review process

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Hi All

I am very happy with the transparent process if you are. The reason the
reviewer should not know who is reviewing is to ensure a fairer process. So
we dont decide on the fact of who the person is alone. Nevertheless, if one
wishes to wave this right, they can do so. (both reviewer and the author can
wave their right to anonymity if they wish, no need for separate process
just saying i wave my right to anonymity in the reviewing process for those
who want to do that). Personally I have waved my right to anonymity as a
reviewer in the past. And would not have a problem with waving my right
again both as an author and as a reviewer. The reviewing is not to keep
political line (I certainly dont see it that way, that is definetely not the
purpose of this), but to ensure whatever the political argument is, work has
gone into it, it is supported adequately and has a quality to it. If that is
not so, then revisions or minor corrections are suggested to the author so
his work can improve and eventually get published. We want good quality
work, I am just saying that we can attract and encourage those people that
have papers that would rather publish online first and get feedback for,
before submitting to the heavyweights.


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Mathieu O'Neil <mathieu.oneil>wrote:

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Hi Athina, all

Thanks also for comments - OK, I like the idea of being open to less-fully
formed ideas: there could be a different format for submissions for example.
"Working papers"? That would be a definite plus in terms of attracting
submissions.  (Though I would not want to stop more developed pieces from
being submitted as well. "Research papers"?). OTOH I'm not so sure about
continuous publishing - i.e. a steady trickle of papers coming out which in
my view would not have much of an impact as opposed to a bigger package with
more to it. We already discussed this a while ago.


----- Original Message -----
From: Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: [jox] Re: Peer Review [Was: RE: Review process
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Hi All,

Just my thoughts on the review process. I also agree it is not a
good idea
to get people's rehashed papers and republish them. I know
people would
rather often get accepted in an established academic closed
journal for
reasons of career development etc.

However, I also know that when people are developing ideas and
research they
want to get feedback on their research when they start out on it
and thats
one thing that we could do. Provide a platfrom for people to
publish initial
ideas on papers they are working on, and finished ideas the need
feedbackon. So they can puclish initial working papers with us,
before they submit
more complete material elsewhere 2-3 years down the line. I
think this means
we will be getting cutting eldge research as it is being
formulated which
can be very interesting, monitoring in a way the developments in
the field
very closely and publishing them. An online journal can do this
very easily
-continnously publishing super current research- without having the
constraints of waiting for 2 years to publish others accepted
and waiting,
and then there is no printing process to worry about.

On the blind reviewing, the reason it is good, is that when
someone reviews
a paper they dont know who has written it and it is fairer process.
Reviewers can discuss openly papers they review (a small number
of specific
reviewers for each paper submitted) but they would not know who
wrote the
piece to ensure there is no bias.

Just an idea


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, graham
<graham> wrote:

Mathieu O'Neil wrote:

Now, this is a complex issue. For example, I have published
very few
articles in peer-reviewed journals. Pretty close to zero. I
am working on
two papers right now. They are important to me, the result
of several
of thinking. I know I could (perhaps should) do the noble
thing and send
or both to an Internet-based journal. But deep down I feel
that I would
the validation that only an established journal can give.
When I have
published one or two papers like that - showing that I can
do it - then I
would submit to open-access journals. I think a lot of
emerging academics
think like that - or they can't afford not to think like
that if they
to get a job in this super-competitive environment. I have a
job, so I am
more motivated by professional pride. I am trying to be
honest as
to advance the discussion. What does this mean for CSPP?

In a nutshelll: we need some incentives for people to
publish with us.
Here are some random thoughts.

1- We could encourage people to submit papers that have
already been
published in a closed journal - that way they would reach a
new audience
get more feedback.

I don't think this is a good idea, for several reasons:
- It sets the bar so low it is self-destructive, in that
people just
send us copies of things they wrote for another audience with
no thought
of fitting in with our distinctive journal.
- It removes pressure on the closed journal to become more open
- It is in any case unlikely to be allowed by the contractual
conditions> the academic has entered into with the closed journal

I think we should have the opposite policy: no article
published in a
closed journal may be published by us. This is nothing like as
radical> as it sounds, and will just reproduce existing practice
(not desireable,
but practical for now): people will take one of their existing
papers> which they have published in a prestigious publication
and modify it. We
will accept such modified versions. It's a silly game, but
it's what new
academics do: boost their number of publications by
replicating their
best work with only minor variations in journals that aren't
too proud
to accept such things. New journals use this phenomenon to bootstrap
themselves into existence.

To encourage this, I think our CFPs should have a general
statement of
what is relevant, but be based on themed issues (I've been
looking back
through the 'draft CFP' thread but can't actually see the
draft CFP - so
apologies if I'm just repeating what's been said). Someone who
has (for
example) just done a lot of research on 'open access' and sees
we have a
 CFP for an 'open access' issue is likely to think how
they could fit
their work into a peer production context; if they just see a
journal> about 'peer production' it may not occur to them.

(still thinking about the review process but with nothing
useful to add
yet :-(

2- For this we need good reviewers and good comments. There
could be a
system where open discussion on a list leads to editorial
comments being
appended to papers. Not sure. I don’t think we should rely
on "anyone can
comment" to do this job - no-one may comment or comments may
be mediocre.

3- There needs to be some clear guidelins for an open
comment process:
-- closed editorial list / closed registration process?
-- deadlines for comments to be made?

4- It is clear that different review processes could be
useful. We need
define precisely the different review processes: blind or
not, open or

5- The second part of the paper cited above may have some
interesting> > leads...

6- In conclusion: we eventually need to get some more people
on the
editorial board to help advance how the review process
works. We will
some input from the people we will be approaching to work
with us. So we
need to progress the rest of the "charter" so we can start
approaching> > people.


-----Original Message-----
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journal] On
Of Stefan Merten
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:42 PM
To: journal
Cc: Stefan Merten
Subject: Review process (was: [jox] New Draft CFP)

Hi Mathieu, Athina, all!

Last week (11 days ago) Mathieu O'Neil wrote:
d) Regarding peer review

I suggested the following: for research papers, authors can
request a
traditional double blind review. But following this process,
research> papers
(as all other submissions) will be collectively discussed on
the list.

I think it is an interesting idea to have different processes.
However, I'm not sure about the consequences. What do others
think?> >
For those not too deep into the traditional process: Could
you please
explain what are the features of the traditional double
blind review?

Last week (10 days ago) Athina Karatzogianni wrote:
About d, I think it would be prudent to think about the
implications of
discussing papers openly on a list. perhaps people will be
much less
critical of a work once it is openly discussed.

That was a concern mentioned before. If this point is
important then
it would indeed impact the quality of the journal. This
would be bad.

Who would be able to see
this discussion?

It depends. Oekonux lists are usually published on the site
but we can
also have a non-archived list. On such a mailing list a discussion
would be open among the editorial board but closed to the public.

Also there can be exchange based on personal e-mail.
However, I'd find
it bad for transparency if regular personal e-mail exchange would
occur unless it is between persons who are working closely
together on
a particular task - such as reviewing a contribution. To
prevent this
I'd rather suggest a second, non-archived mailing list.

what if one of us wanted to publish a paper, would we look
at the reviewers comments while they were formulating them?

What's wrong with this?

I think some
thought should be paid there. The tradition is to have 2-3 blind
for a paper.

See above. Can you please explain what "blind" means exactly?

I dont see and please explain to me how when ten people
have a
long discussion over an email list, quality and speed
improve. I think
will be quite the opposite.

IMHO this depends much on the culture of such a list. I know
most of
the persons on this list personally and most for quite some
time now
and I don't think that there will be unnecessary discussion.

Anyway I understood that there will be explicitly assigned
reviewers> > for each contribution - 2-3 sounds good to me. They
are responsible to
review the particular contribution and alone for reasons of
lack of
time people will probably trust the judgement of the reviewers.

Blind reviewing most of the time works in favor
of the author. Discussing between us endlessly a paper
[unless it is
controversial and only after it has been blindly reviewed]
I think will
waste of time and effort.

Endless is discussion is not very probable IMHO. If a
contribution is
too controversial it simply will not be included. That would
at least
mean an orientation in consensus in the editorial board (where
consensus means that nobody *has to* object).





Dr Athina Karatzogianni
Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
The University of Hull
United Kingdom
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Dr Mathieu O'Neil
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Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
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Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
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United Kingdom
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