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very interesting thread!

we recently dealt with similar issues with the publication of the cpov
reader. originally we had NC, but because we wanted to include images from
Wikipedia, we decided to adopt a license consistent with theirs and allow
commercial use. shortly after, like two weeks after the book came out, i see
a site is selling copies for 30 euros!

the question is, does that matter? pdfs are available for free and we have a
couple thousand free printed copies (that anyone can have sent to them for
free as well). when these run out, i don't really care if someone wants to
print copies and charge for them because there will always be free versions

i think we also need to think about what commercial operations, if any, such
practices support.  there will never be a demand for 1,000,000 printed
copies of CSPP and with the material online, it's probably fair to say that
nobody will be printing it out in full to sell on amazon or whatever. so
nobody is going to turn a real profit or directly participate in mass
production and race to the bottom labour conditions. most likely the kinds
of entities will be small "artisan style" businesses - pseudo-precarious
knowledge workers like alessandro ludovico from neural magazine.  actual use
is most likely to take the form of small sections inserted into these kinds
of publications. i don't have a problem with this use mainly because i
believe that there are many different versions of capital, some much better
than others.

all that said, the idea of letting the authors decide would put all this to
rest. it is a question of privileging autonomy (of authors) or the commons.

another option that nobody has mentioned, perhaps the "purest" of all, is to
not get involved in the legal/property game at all.

quite a mess, but them's my thoughts!

Nate Tkacz

School of Culture and Communication
University of Melbourne


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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Graham Seaman <graham> wrote:

Agree that this is mainly a signalling issue. And my gut reaction (which
I guess is fairly typical among people who've been around free software
for a while) is that NC signals people not really part of the community,
not aware of why the gpl was such a success after all the failed
NC-licenses of the 80s (the same goes for free data people - the OKF is
in the middle of an uphill struggle to convince naive supporters to stop
putting NC clauses on data, so they are likely to have the same gut
reaction as me).

But I don't know whether the free software/data community is actually an
important part of the intended market, which may  be more academic?


On 06/02/11 17:45, Johan Söderberg wrote:
Guess I have the tiping vote!

As was already noted before, there is no practical significance to this
choice. As with 98% of all CC licensed goods, It is all about self-promotion
and sending the right signals. The ideological purist signal that we want to
send is to ditch the non-commercial.


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Mathieu ONeil [mathieu.oneil]
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Hi all

Um, crossed messages! OK, we have 2:2. I can see both sides.
Sending the strongest message about NC vs. favouring the spread of the
licence... I guess we need more input?



----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Merten <smerten>
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: [jox] Licence for articles
To: journal

Hi all!

2 hours ago Alex Halavais wrote:
I would make the argument for CC-BY-SA.


NC is an anti-pattern for me. Free Software would not have been
possible with NC - so what should it be good for?



Dr Mathieu O'Neil
Adjunct Research Fellow
Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute
College of Arts and Social Science
The Australian National University
email: mathieu.oneil[at]

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