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Re: [jox] A response to Michel Bauwens

Hi Michel,

Am 28.02.2012 08:36, schrieb Michel Bauwens:
Hi Jacob, I'm partial to, but ultimately agnostic to Marx' value theory, ...

I think, that there is a big difference between Marxian and marxistic theory in general and value theory in particular. The former refers to the work of a great thinker, the latter to a religoiusly charged mass perception of the former in the 20th century (there was a very instructive paper on that topic in german by Michael Wendl in "Sozialismus 2/2011", as far as I see, not online available).

Being "ultimately agnostic" to the former is in the good, negatively turned tradition of the latter and, in my opinion, a sign of cultural ignorance. Nothing at all to notice about in ignorant times but ...

I see the main difference between JoPP and CSPP - not being involved in neither one of these projects, but knowing the Oekonux discutants for a while - just there: JoPP aims at studying the new experiences without any theoretical background, CSPP aimed at "critical studies" in the same sense as Marx wrote a "critics of political economy".

Both are respectable underpinnings (in particular the p2p foundation activities) but a thorough economy theoretic analysis of PP beyond religoiusly charged perceptions did not yet start and - my strong feeling - will not start being "ultimately agnostic to Marxian value theory".

Since from _that_ point of view it becomes very soon clear that P2P was all the time in the core of capitalistic economics (free market), but since capitalistic economics and capitalistic practice (monopoly tendency) are in a permanent struggle a capitalistic economical theory cannot be a steady state theory (as assumed not only by Marx) but only a state _transition_ theory.

I.e. transition is in the inner core of the capitalistic society itself (as already observed in the Communist Manifesto) and speaking about transitions requires to explain, why and how far those remain within capitalistic frames and where they go beyond those frames (moving frames!).

I think, this should be the core of a sound P2P economic theory. I've not seen even the beginning of such a theory yet.

So far for the moment. You will find more about that in german in my writings.

Best regards,
Hans-Gert Gräbe


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