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Re: [jox] A response to Michel Bauwens

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thanks Hans-Gert, unfortunately I will not be able to follow your German
work, but if you do write in English, do let us know,


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Hans-Gert Gräbe <hgg> wrote:

Hi Michel,

Am 28.02.2012 08:36, schrieb Michel Bauwens:

Hi Jacob, I'm partial to, but ultimately agnostic to Marx' value theory,

I think, that there is a big difference between Marxian and marxistic
theory in general and value theory in particular. The former refers to the
work of a great thinker, the latter to a religoiusly charged mass
perception of the former in the 20th century (there was a very instructive
paper on that topic in german by Michael Wendl in "Sozialismus 2/2011", as
far as I see, not online available).

Being "ultimately agnostic" to the former is in the good, negatively
turned tradition of the latter and, in my opinion, a sign of cultural
ignorance. Nothing at all to notice about in ignorant times but ...

I see the main difference between JoPP and CSPP - not being involved in
neither one of these projects, but knowing the Oekonux discutants for a
while - just there: JoPP aims at studying the new experiences without any
theoretical background, CSPP aimed at "critical studies" in the same sense
as Marx wrote a "critics of political economy".

Both are respectable underpinnings (in particular the p2p foundation
activities) but a thorough economy theoretic analysis of PP beyond
religoiusly charged perceptions did not yet start and - my strong feeling -
will not start being "ultimately agnostic to Marxian value theory".

Since from _that_ point of view it becomes very soon clear that P2P was
all the time in the core of capitalistic economics (free market), but since
capitalistic economics and capitalistic practice (monopoly tendency) are in
a permanent struggle a capitalistic economical theory cannot be a steady
state theory (as assumed not only by Marx) but only a state _transition_

I.e. transition is in the inner core of the capitalistic society itself
(as already observed in the Communist Manifesto) and speaking about
transitions requires to explain, why and how far those remain within
capitalistic frames and where they go beyond those frames (moving frames!).

I think, this should be the core of a sound P2P economic theory. I've not
seen even the beginning of such a theory yet.

So far for the moment. You will find more about that in german in my

Best regards,
Hans-Gert Gräbe


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