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Re: [ox-en] Re: [ox] Theses about the relation between the Oekonux project and the remaining world



Hi Christian, Graham, Geert, lists!

Yesterday Christian Siefkes wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Graham Seaman wrote:
If neo-nazism becomes a problem within the oekonux lists then we will
have to do something about it. Declaring ourselves 'left' now doesn't
remove the (very small) possibility of it becoming a problem in the
future; declaring ourselves 'left' then won't solve it if it has become a
problem. The important thing is what we do, not the label.

First of all: I fully share Grahams position regarding our internal
doings: The label is not important but what we do. This is different
regarding the outside world, however, and I think Geert backed that.

That might be true. But according to Stefan Merten's original mail there
wouldn't have been a problem, as *all* positions are welcome: "leftists
are welcome as anybody else".

Good you quoted me because there I wrote about *people* which are
welcome - not necessarily positions. I think Graham said everything
necessary already.

My main point was that this cannot and must
not be wholly true. There must be at least a consensus not to allow any
kind of sexism, rassism and anti-Semitism.

Well, at least I'm doing that if I find it necessary. Last instance is

      http://www.oekonux.de/liste/archive/msg06896.html

Until now this or similar means had helped.

Another point:

3 days ago Christian Siefkes wrote:
But it's not just a idle
question, considering the anti-globalization movement. There the occurence
of nationalist and anti-Semite views is a serious problem, and parts of
the movement fail to clearly react and dissociate oneself from such
positions (cf. the discussion in the German section of Attac). I think
that's partly due to the unwillingness to take a political position beyond
some or other "question of interest", specifically by the unwillingness to
consider oneselves "left".

I think Attac is rather different from Oekonux - for instance in the
breadth of its topic. Actually I can't see how questions where
nationalist and anti-Semite views make sense are really on-topic for
Oekonux. And if they occur we can still consider means to stop that.
We need no label for that.


						Mit Freien Grüßen

						Stefan

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