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Re: [ox-en] so long, and thanks for all the fish



Hi Jonathan,

On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:24, Jonathan Walther wrote:
Stefan was good enough to allow me to respond to Robins email,
and to send this email.  For your grace and level headedness I
salute you, Stefan.

I have not been on this mailing list for almost a week.  My
posting here now does not mean I have rejoined the list.  I
don't expect to post here again unless new accusations are
made about me, or unless I am invited back to join in the the
other discussions.

I joined the oekonux list to set the public record straight in
the most peaceable manner possible.  After a fair bit of
hostility from some list members, other members stepped up and
showed a very reasonable attitude, for which I am grateful.

I wasn't aware that being on the mailing list also made one an
official member of the project.  It wasn't my intention to
join the project or otherwise affiliate myself with it, since
I still am not quite sure what the project is about.

The purpose of the project is to discuss

 * what the principles of free software are,
 * if and how they can be transferred to other fields (pictures,
   music, text, construction papers (for cars, CPUs...), maybe
   even to the production of material goods), and
 * whether these principles can form a new economical system.

For example, at the beginning of the project, there was hardly 
any free literature. So, from the perspective of this project, 
the Wikipedia is a dream come true. Other fields, such as music, 
are still in the beginnings...

From my POV, the "Nazi in Debian" thread has been very off-topic. 
The only on-topic point about it seems to be the conclusion that 
one principles of free software is that free software projects 
typically do not care about what their members believe in. I 
think this thesis can be easily backed, e.g. by the fact that 
the free software and open source communities work together.

I regret being asked to leave, because it looked like there
was some interesting discussions here. 

As I said above, I think that such request is not typical of a 
free software community. As I understand it, up to now, the 
Oekonux project has tried to apply the principles of free 
software on itself, in order to be the first political project 
modelled after a free software project. (Of course, the GNU 
project is a political project, but in this role, it does not 
resemble a free software project.) Now, it seems to me that this 
attempt has failed (at least on [ox-en]).

I have left, however,
because I fully support the right of every collective to
determine for itself who is a member and who is not.

I would to God that the members of this list would show the
same respect to the differing criteria and membership
decisions of other collectives, though they be large as a
state, or small as a newly-wed couple.

I don't think it is a good idea to apply this "right" to a state 
at all. Should Kansas have the right to reject people from 
Nebraska? 

Also, I think the couple fits in here, as it is a matter of 
sympathy -- you cannot exspect people to be your friend.

Anyway, I do agree that Oekonux should be more like a state than 
a couple.

- - - - -
Well, if you like the topic of this project, feel free to come 
back. But please under a pseudonyme, in order not to scre the 
naziphobes here.


cu,
Thomas }:o{#
-- - http://217.160.174.154/~sloyment/ - --
"Look! They have different music on the dance floor..."

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