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RE: [ox-en] Robinsonades (was: Re: Role of markets)



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The scheme I advocated as a parliamentary candidate
was to give everyone ration coupons and put customs inspectors
at the oil refineries and coal mines who would only
allow carbon out the door if they got coupons in return.

If you did not want to use all your coupons you could
sell them to the supermarkets who would need them for
their transport fuel, and for the fuel used by 
their suppliers.

Paul Cockshott
Dept of Computing Science
University of Glasgow
[PHONE NUMBER REMOVED]
www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/



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From: owner-list-en oekonux.org on behalf of Michel Bauwens
Sent: Wed 8/20/2008 11:58 AM
To: list-en oekonux.org
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Robinsonades (was: Re: Role of markets)
 
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fyi on carbon trading:

- http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008321.html, *How different cap and
trade programs can all get along, from full series here at
http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/series/inside-wci

- the carbon taxes road: http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1891/73/

The following sounds right to me:

*"Peter Barnes is right. The best and most efficient way to reduce global
warming isn't a cap-and-trade system that gives historic polluters free
rights to pollute in the future, and it's not a carbon tax that hits poor
and middle-income Americans especially hard. It's a cap-and-auction with
dividends to all Americans. Read this useful guide and see why."

at http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/climatesolutions

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Paul Cockshott <wpc dcs.gla.ac.uk> wrote:

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Eldreds proposals on this struck me as pretty reactionary when I first read
them.
Far worse than having carbon rationing,
carbon rationing at least allows you to be sure that the total emissions
are correct
price manipulation to ensure this by rental charges is very difficult.

In addition carbon rationing is redistributive in income terms, whereas his
rent proposals are not.

Paul Cockshott
Dept of Computing Science
University of Glasgow
+44 141 330 1629
www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/ <http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Ewpc/reports/>



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-list-en oekonux.org on behalf of Franz Nahrada
Sent: Tue 8/19/2008 10:59 PM
To: list-en oekonux.org
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Robinsonades (was: Re: Role of markets)

list-en oekonux.org writes:
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The points made below are effectively refuted by Zachariah,
particularly the point about equalisation of profit rates.


a more comprehensive summary of the theory pointing at the extensive
theoretical implications of forms of extra-profit with its relation to
rents and monopolies is here (also an older piece)


http://marx101.blogspot.com/2008/03/forms-of-appearance-of-surplus-value.html
 (Mike Roth and Michael Eldred)

Eldred who has finally and in my view "unjustly" abandoned the value
theory of labour nevertheless analyzes the further interplay of these
forms here: (I do not endorse his ideas about production factors or carbon
sink industry)

http://192.220.96.165/untpltcl/qstnerth.html

Franz


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