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Re: [jox] Licence for articles

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Hi Athina, all

Essentially, we have voted...

[1] for CC-BY-SA:
Alex, StefanMN, Johan, StefanMZ [and Nate sort of in support?]

[2] for CC-NC:
Alessandro, Felix [and Martin sort of in support?]

[3] for Copyfarleft:

I don't think a big ideological showdown would be particularly useful at this stage, so I am going to use my "magic maintainer mojo" and declare that the debate is over for now. The larger number of votes in [1] combined to the fact that founders of Oekonux are in this group win the day for the duration of my time as editor. It can always be re-debated in a couple years when I pass the baton.



On 06/06/11, Athina Karatzogianni  <athina.k> wrote:
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Hi all,

I havent commented yet on this, but as it is obviously important to some,
may we vote on this somehow? Can someone present what the options are and we
can all say what we prefer or sth? Not why again, just reply by numbers
options 1-5 or sth to someone numbering them, can you do that Mathieu?
As I understand it we are getting into nuisances over licensing here within
the peer producing paradigm, shall we leave this for a future issue to
discuss and come to an agreement what to do with is in a practical manner
instead? Just a thought...

I am also in favor of a license which would be sending the signal that is
actively building change and not attacking the old apparatuses....



On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Stefan Merten <smerten> wrote:

Hi all!

I consider this a fundamental decision in this project and I take it
very serious. To me it's one of the key decisions whether this project
will be just another leftist project or a peer production project.

4 days ago Toni Prug wrote:
ps. Stefan, I think that the reason FS thrived while allowing
commercial use is that some of the users will add value to the shared
object (new code, bugs fixed, documentation). What can we expect from
a for-profit entity that will perhaps one day wish to commercially
exploit the shared object? What can they add to a finished text, other
than bundling it to sell it in a different format? Not much.

IMHO these *considerations* are fundamentally misleading. I here them
From leftists for many, many years now. These considerations abuse
peer production for other goals: How can a license be useful for my
own goal XY (which is alienated from peer production)? Or in this
case: How can I wield a license against my enemies?

However, the GPL / CC-BY-SA is the foundation of a new era which
*transcends* the old struggles. Peer production is not about fighting
the old. Instead it is about building something new - for instance
something beyond money. In fact I find it striking that peer
production is *not* a leftist project and that the left movement was
*not* able to foresee peer production (and still in its majority
ignores this phenomenon - which is probably a good thing).

So IMHO the question for this project comes down to: Is this project
fighting old battles in the old world and thus is part of the old
world? Or is it supporting a new world and live up to the logic to the
new world?

BTW: The licences embed the new world into the framework of the old.
Insofar they are of utmost importance.



Dr Athina Karatzogianni<,_culture_and_society/staff/karatzogianni,_dr_athina.aspx>
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The University of Hull
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Dr Mathieu O'Neil
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