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Re: [jox] A response to Michel and Jakob

Hi Martin.

I admit that I went too far in characterizing David Graber as a
post-modernist. David is a friend and appreciate his activism. But, I
have a point, which I will clarify it soon. I need to leaf through the
book before making it.
all the best

jmp 03/16/12 2:50 PM >>> 


On 16/03/12 17:37, Jakob Rigi wrote: 
Hi Stefan and Michel, 

I have read Graber`s book and taught it in a course, I called from 
Gift to Spectacle. The trouble with Graber`s book is that it takes 
the word value as a generic concept and find many different 

Why is that a problem? 

And finally decends into a type of post/modernist cultural 
relativism, which is indeed typical of contemporary anthropolgy. 

Could you be more specific? I have not read the entire book, only 
pieces, but my general understanding of Graeber's book, work and 
person is situated in a very different corner of the intellectual 
field. And certainly he has seriously attempted to make that clear 

“Consider for example the doctrine of moral relativism. By this I 
mean the doctrine that, starting from the (entirely reasonable) 
premise that one cannot fully understand any action except in the 
context of the actor’s cultural universe, concludes that as a 
consequence, no one has the right to stand in judgment over any action 
committed by someone with a fundamentally different world view…this is 
a doctrine that could only really emerge as a product of imperialism. 
It could only have been produced by members of an elite population 
whose dominance over the world was so complete and so reliable that 
they could live their lives in full confidence that no one with a 
fundamentally different world view would ever be in a position of 
power over them…Pretenses to some kind of moral superiority, based on 
their unwillingness to morally condemn ‘the Other’, it seems to me, 
are often entirely underpinned by tacit support for real walls to shut 
real other people out…what basis would we have to criticize the 
structures of power in the world, unless we at least admit that 
everyone in the world shares certain things in common?” 

-David Graeber’s ‘Anti-Relativist Diatribe’, 2007 (Lost People. 
Bloomington IN: Indiana University Press. Pg 386-7) 

Actually in all ecomomies upon to p2p there have been regimes of 
value. The precapitalist regimes were concerned with two things: 
the distribution of labour and means of production on the one hand 
and distribution of use values on the other. 

All of "them"? Can you lump them all in like that? 



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