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Re: [jox] A response to Michel and Jakob

Hi Jakob,

Am 14.03.2012 12:48, schrieb Jakob Rigi:
2-, the question of making strategic-macro resources whether natural or
technical commons is not hypothetical issue of future. It is the most
pressing need of our own present time. This urgency stemms in the first
place from the current ecological crisis.

I'm just preparing a workshop "sustainability and technics" to address such questions with two topics "environmental informatics" and "sustainable energy concepts". My main observation: there is a huge debate about "sustainability" addressing questions of our relation to nature (first nature in Marx' notation) and also to restructuring society (second nature in Marx' notation), but the in my view main question is almost not addressed - the requirements of the reproduction of the cultural-technical environment and the transition needs "after Fukushima", the major area where "human labour" has to be applied and that capitalism tries to exploit "for free", since the cultural-technical environment is the result of human labour. Moreover people like me, the MINT people (MINT = mathematics, informatics, natural sciences, technical sciences), have almost no voice in those debates. A second observation - we (the MINT people) are speaking a different language, that politicians hardly understand.

We had already a similar workshop in sept 2011 with a very instructive basic text, that is available also in english, see

By the way, all those questions have to be answered also within capitalism, since they are on a nowadays schedule. But they are on a 100..400 years time scale (as explained in Laitko's paper in detail). I will come back to that (a particular problem within the "limits of growth") in a later posting.

The fact that it is also a
requiredment for fully feldged p2p mode of production, it shows how a
p2p revolution is timely. I think, having a clear vision aout making
these resources global commons is exactly part of what describe as
having a clear vision about a fully-fledged p2p mode of production.

So for you p2p is mainly a question of access ("global commons") and not of infrastructure and reproduction (what is a "mode of production" for you)?



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