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Re: [jox] A response to Michel and Jakob

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that is indeed the main objection to an approach that imagines an idealized
future situation.

'real' peer production, i.e. as it exists today, works well for certain
immaterial tasks, but is still reliant on many market mechanisms for its
social reproduction and even  to get things done ...; once it moves to
physical production, that dependence is even bigger,

to my mind, this idealized solution has no concrete bearing on any of the
real problems that peer production are facing, though of course, I have
nothing against an utopian imagination of how things could be one day ..


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, hgg <hgg> wrote:

Hi Christian,

what's that about? A replacement of the "magic market forces" by the
"magic p2p forces"?


Am 26.03.2012 18:14, schrieb Christian Siefkes:

That still leaves the question of how to minimize possible mismatches
between consumptive and productive desires. I think that stigmergy,
automation and re-organization are the best responses here:

1. Announce the tasks necessary for your consumptive goals, and wait for
2. If there aren't enough, try to automatize the task, i.e. let machines
it. Getting there will usually need other tasks, so go back to step 1 for
them. (I think it will often be easier to find volunteers to automatize
something than do it manually.)
3. If automation is not (or only partially) possible and there still
enough volunteers, think about how to re-organize the task in such a way
that it becomes more attractive for potential volunteers. (Indeed,
volunteers will do this themselves and might decide to re-organize tasks
ways you didn't foresee.)

After all this, a pool of (apparently quite unpleasant) tasks which nobody
wants to do might remain. For these, I would first consider voluntary
distribution among the community members, where (more or less) everybody
does a small part of them now and then, without something very bad
if you don't. ...


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