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Re: [ox-en] Nazi in Debian Alert



Robin Green wrote:

Well, that's unfortunate, but if the Debian developers don't want to eject
him, what can you do?

Inform people.

I mean, it's not as if Walther is using his position to promote Nazi
ideology is it - or is it?

I don't have sufficient information to properly answer that. People within the Debian developers group
would have a better idea, but they seem to have clammed up...

It's a tough one for free software communities, because what would you
have them do? Stop accepting contributions from him, for example? OK,
but then they're fragmenting the development of free softare and/or
slowing it down. Is it really worth doing that, chucking away his contributions just because he happens to be a Nazi? As long as his
contributions aren't actually promoting Nazism in any way shape or
form, it seems like a waste to reject them.

My initial response was predicated on our (Leeds AFA) "prime directive" - the personal security of individuals must take priority - never withold information that relates to/affects/compromises individual's personal security from them, regardless. Would that all players in the UK antifa "area" operated under the same principle (Searchlight, for e.g., do not, which has historically been at root of a lot of problems people in the antifa movement have with them - though there are other issues, of course)

As regards the "general case" (though I am not yet aware of other such cases) one of the features of the "distributed collaborative model" that FLOSS work-practices revolve around, is that it does not require face to face encounters or indeed, necesarily, any exchange or leaking of personal information which could be of intelligence value to the enemy. However, most people in the FLOSS movement (at least IMO) do not have the necessary experience or habits of thought (a.k.a security consciousness) antifa activists evolve over years of operating and living in the same urban space as their mortal enemies, not to let such information leak out in the course of normal inter-project communication. If you're asking me what all the answers are, I don't have them. I suggest the only way to find them is collaboratively, in the same way "we" produce other solutions. My intention
is to inform not too dictate - I am a Libertarian Communist, after all...

Personally I would not want to work on a free software project with a
Nazi, and if I were in their shoes I'd try to have him ejected. But
that's on the personal level, and on their personal level apparently
they aren't too bothered by it - or not bothered enough to exclude him,
anyway.

Well I'm not hugely happy with having a lot to do with Debian with him in it at the moment, either. Especially seeing as, perhaps by pure coincidence, Mr. Walther's discovery of my existence was shortly followed by an spate of (failed) Trojan attacks on my net-connected box which coincidentally disappeared as soon as I mentioned it to the Debian members I was then in contact with with a (not so innocent) query as to how I would identify the boxes they were originating from (the usual anonymous East European suspects of course). I mean, "Back Orifice"? What am I, a moron? I was insulted by the piss-poor level of these attacks (and re-assurred that Walther is obviously not as impressive a hacker as he clearly thinks he is - unless it was some cunning double-bluff, but somehow I doubt it).

OTOH, considering my chosen contribution to Debian is in the translation/documentation (lets face it, the documentation in this movement leaves a lot to be desired...) department (I am bi-lingual english/french with smatterings of spanish, italian & german but none of the latter are of a standard to be any use in the translation dept.) I can hardly not continue with that just because Debian are happy letting a nazi manage some of their modules....


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