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Re: [ox-en] thinking about logics



Stefan Meretz wrote:
Hi list,

it seems to me, that formal logics for some people are the ultima ratio when arguing. One basic assumption behind this conviction is the principle tertium non datur, or the principle of the excluded third, cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertium_non_datur

It says:

   x is either A or Not-A, a third does not exist

There are two main problems with this conviction.

First is the meaning of A. Say, A is a concept of something, then it is necessary to agree in this concept before starting with formal logics. It is useless to say "x is A", while another person understands "x is B", thus these two persons can endlessly argue about whether "x is either A or Not-B" or "x is either B or Not-A". This often happens in this mailinglist and cannot be solved by repeating or using strong words or heavy arguing penetration.

The only way to cope with that, is to talk about the meaning of what we are talking about. The meaning itself can not be clarified using true/false logics, but only by understanding what is said and meant.

Right. Further, the meaning of what we say (not only our respective and collective understanding), evolves throughout this discussion. So instead of looking at this as two well-separated steps in communication through first clarifying the vocabulary, then arguing within these agreed-upon terms, we have to understand this process in a more organic whole.

Panta rei. :-)

Regards,
		Stefan

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