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I'm hoping Johan is following this debate as well, it is a complement to his work in hacking capitalism ... Very few reactions to our 4-part presentation of his important book: see http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-week-hacking-capitalism-part-one-presentation/2008/02/25 (start of 3) extra: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/johan-soberbergh-on-the-capture-of-the-value-created-by-user-communities/2008/03/11 Michel On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Stefan Meretz <stefan.meretz hbv.org> wrote:
On 2008-03-24 05:32, Michel Bauwens wrote: > So where exactly is the change in your own assessment? The main change is, that I previously argued, that proprietary software is a thing of value and free software is not. Now, I would say, that both are free of value. Thus, today I agree with the following cite, which I didn't in 2003: Just because proprietary software has no value, does not mean it has no effect on profits. The sale of proprietary software is a means for transferring surplus value between sectors: in particular from the developing world to the US, but also from the 'old' to the 'new' economy within the US/Europe. It lowers profits in the old sector and in the developing world. FS blocks this transfer. Author was Graham: http://www.oekonux.de/liste/archive/msg07139.html when the oekonux debate was done mainly in german. The main argument for is mentioned in the headline: Information goods are genuine societal goods, even when they are produced in a closed proprietary way. However, one should see, that I am in a minor position within the (more or less) marxian discourse, even in keimform, but it is not necessary to treat it as a religious point. Ciao, Stefan -- Start here: www.meretz.de _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: projekt oekonux.de
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