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it may sometimes seem we are talking past each other, but I don't think so,
I have been learning from both you and Paul,
Michel
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose gmail.com>
wrote:
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Michel,
It is discussions like this that the "mess"-type wikis are really useful
for, like those that I have shown you in the past (
http://communitywiki.org
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballWiki the original wiki
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors as examples)
This is because all of us, including myself are only really covering part
of
the overall picture, and we are getting caught on language and how to
translates to reason. I have found it so much easier to come to a shared
understanding, even in debate, to try and refactor discussion into a
shared-statement (there are many, many, many debates that end up leading
to
shared meaning and understanding on the wikis mentioned above)
http://www.communitywiki.org/WhatIsMoney is a great example. In email it
is
hard to create a "Pattern Language" like this. hard to do
http://www.communitywiki.org/ArgumentPyramids and
http://www.communitywiki.org/TheoryBuilding in email threads.
I see that pretty much every contributor to this discussion has a valid
point in relation to some actual contexts, and that the broader picture
of
what we are talking about is too complex for any of the individual more
narrow generalizations that we have been applying to it (including my
own).
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM, graham <graham theseamans.net> wrote:
Christian Siefkes wrote:
Paul Cockshott wrote:
A summary is in
http://pavlina-tcherneva.net/papers/Arestis-Sawyer-Chapter%2005.pdf
Reading this paper makes you wonder why the "developing" countries
haven't
catapulted themselves out of their economic misery by simply
state-employing
all of their inhabitants, since apparently states can do that.
Possibly because states in developing countries that try to do that get
invaded by the US or their proxies? Or if they get past that stage, get
40
years of economic blockade...
Graham
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