RE: [ox-en] There is no such thing like "peer money"
- From: "Paul Cockshott" <wpc dcs.gla.ac.uk>
- Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:42:59 -0000
No there is no english language version out as far as I know.
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Hi Paul,
is there any english version of this, I would like to use it as a basis
of
discussion, paragraph by paragraph ...
Michel
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Paul Cockshott <wpc dcs.gla.ac.uk>
wrote:
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Paul Cockshott wrote:
Raoul wrote:
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I am considering a period of transition. The 4th step in the Five step
model. The germ form is becoming the dominant one. More and more
material means of production are becoming part of the commons and are
collectively managed according to peer principles. Whatever the shape
this process takes: progressive evolution or abrupt revolutions (most
probably both), it will take some time to spread all over the world.
It
seams realistic to think that for a period of time (the shortest the
best) geographical zones, countries will remain under the old
capitalist
relations of production.
Why not assume that some form of cooperative production remains?
It depends on the meaning you give to "cooperative production".
Usually
cooperatives are defined as something within capitalism, within
markets.
"A business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its
services or who work at it" (Wikipedia). Cooperatives change the
relationships in the organization of their internal activities, but
they
buy their input and sell their output. In fact, cooperative producers
are "their own capitalists", as said Marx. As such, they are not
contradictory or exclusive to capitalist remains.
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Paul
By co-operative production I was being a bit vague, perhaps I should
have said co-operative or socialist production.
I think that one of the differences in our outlook is that I think
that
there is a need for political action to bring about transition. I
think
of it in terms of what radical governments might do to accelerate this
process, as might just be happening in places like Venezueala.
see
http://www.alminuto.com.bo/content/programa-general-de-transici%C3%B3n-h
acia-la-econom%C3%AD-pol%C3%ADtica-del-socialismo-del-siglo-xxi-en-am%C3
%A9
for some such ideas
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